Know Your Australian II

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Welcome to this week's edition of "Know Your Australian", presented by your host Heafy the Australian. I've got to come up with a better name…

This week, I choose to educate the masses on a very passionate subject for all Australians, "The Footy". Footy is short for "Football", naturally. That is a great habit of Australians, every word ever invented was too long, and we have a firm belief that the letter "y" or "o" can be added to every single word.

Depending where you are in Australia, "footy" can mean a different code of football. There are 4 types of football played here - Soccer, which is mainly plaid by kids and people of European decent. I do not know of anyone that refers to this code as "footy". Then Rugby Union, which is mainly played in New South Wales by private school kids - though our national team is pretty kick ass most of the time. Again, people playing this code would rarely call it "footy" or even call it "football" - to them it is just "rugby". Then we have Rugby League, which is similar to Union only that it is a modified game mainly done so for TV. As a generalisation, Union is for the upper class and League is for the working class. League is only really played in two states - New South Wales and Queensland. They call it "footy" too, but the appeal on a national level is very small.. And the forth code of football is of course our own, Australian Rules Football, which is played in every state but the most popular is Victoria.

Aussie Rules, hence forth referred to as "footy" is the most popular game in our country. It is played with 36 players on the field at a time, and the field does not have set dimensions. A bit like baseball in that fact - they have minimums but each ground is a little different. The average length of a full sized Aussie Rules ground is about 190 metres, or 210 odd yards. We like them big.

With 18 men on the field for each team, and the game going for about 2 hours all up, you need some reserves, right? 4 - that's all you get. Aussie Rules also has the oldest set of official rules for any code of football in the world, making it officially the oldest form of football still played today. Pretty impressive.

In our national competition, there are 16 teams and ten of them are in Melbourne (or very close to it). So when you are in Melbourne, it is automatically assumed that you follow the footy. How popular is it nationally when compared to the other sports?

Soccer - with crowds at about 2000 at the highest level in Australia, bankruptcies are common. With 2000, they still manage to have soccer riots when teams associated with certain countries play some other certain teams. Sydney United, formerly known as Sydney Croatia, have been fined and threatened to be banned because of this.

Union - when Australia plays, expect a big crowd. Otherwise, small crowds except for finals.

League - more popular as a national league, an average crowd for a mid season game would be around 12,000. Only 2 states in Australia take notice of the game though, and I just unfortunately happen to be in one of them.

Aussie Rules - average crowd for a mid-season game? 30,000 or so. The biggest crowd ever was over 100,000. Some teams home games rarely drop below 50,000. The grand final stops the nation and is held on the last Saturday in September every year.

So next time you are down under and get invited to the "footy" - be careful which state you are in. It could mean a completely different game from city to city.

I think I am over my poker hiatus, I couldn't make it through the week. I am feeling the need for some action, and that is a dangerous combination so I will be cautious and "go light" when I do hit the tables again. After all the "lessons" I've had, I'm sure I will be tearing them up.

Since the WSOP Main Event started today, I guess I should make my pics known. Well, why not? For some reason I hope a well known poker pro wins this year. It's the biggest tournament of the year, and it has never been so popular, I guess I want a pro to win it to show that luck isn't all you need. I think if a pro wins it will justify the cause that it is a game of skill first, and luck second. That's not to say the online qualifiers have no skill - I'm just thinking about the perception from the general public. Sure, if an amateur wins it might make more people rush to the tables thinking "Hey, anyone can win, I could do this" but it will make it seem more like gambling in the general public view point.

Anyway, enough of that drivel - I think the winner this year will be a Phil - either Ivey or Hellmuth.

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Twiggy
from: Newtown, PA
Post #9712

The pain continues,busted again!
I had a good start to the day getting my chips up to 95k after winning a race against AK with JJ.
The second level went badly for me and by the begining of the third I was down 32k.
The blinds were now 1k-2k with a running ante of 3 hundred.
The guy three to the right of me made it 6k to go,he had chips and had been very active all day,raising one in three pots.
Now the guy two to right of me has a little think and calls,the button passes and I find J 10 in the small blind,a monster.
There was now almost 18k in the pot,I figured this a pefect spot to push.I wasn't worried about the caller and 32k might be enough to make the raiser lay down the kind of junk he had been showing down and if he calls maybe I get lucky a double up.
He had QQ and I didn't get lucky.
Thank you for all your GL messages,it really is very much appreciated.
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Kerr
from: Lebanon, OH
Post #9775

UL ross
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Cammie
from: Homer, GA
Post #5227

UL Ross, sounds like it was a perfect spot to make a move.
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Jothy
from: Bluffton, GA
Post #8324

UL Ross.

Not crazy about the shove tbh.Unless your image was completely rocky,i'm not sure there's enough fold equity against a loose player(the raiser) who will be getting almost 2/1 on the call.I'm generalising of course as I don't know the table dynamics or the stacks of both opponents etc.

Where did you end up? In the money or out?

If it makes you feel any better i busted within 5 of the bubble deep in 4 consecutive MTT's tonight,happens to the best of us

Aja
from: Donegal, PA
Post #6255

Hi Murph,well like I said the guy was raising one pot in three so you can imagine that his range was pretty wide,I hadn't played a hand for about an hour.
Youre right of course there is a chance that he may call given the pot odds he is getting but dont forget Im getting them too and unless he has an over pair I cant be in that bad shape.
If he does call there is a chance the other guy may feel he has to call too,he may even reraise,although that is unlikely.If he does decide to call although it wouldn't be ideal to play the pot three way I would be getting better odds on my money with a hand I would be certain to have to hit and if I do I win a bigger pot.

Didn't make the money I'm afaid..........
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Last edited by Ross Boatman on Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:05 am; edited 2 times in total Back to top Matt101
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:38 am Post subject: Well it sounds like a good spot to me mate. Maybe 10k extra in your stack would have been nice but the result would have been the same anyway. Just unlucky the guy woke up with queens.

Timmi
from: Woodbury, PA
Post #8745

Well it sounds like a good spot to me mate. Maybe 10k extra in your stack would have been nice but the result would have been the same anyway. Just unlucky the guy woke up with queens.

Scarlett
from: Park Falls, WI
Post #5869

JT v QQ is a 15%-85% dog ... slightly better than 72 v AA which is only 12.5%-87.5%

In an hour's play against a player raising 1 in 3 hands this isn't a great spot to go broke...

Selma
from: Dayville, CT
Post #9148

Hey Matt,you know what the the dirty rotter didn't show me his hand untill after I moved all in,if he had been a decent sort of chap and showed me first I would have been sure to lay down my J 10.
A great spot to go broke? I wasn't aware that there is one.
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Sabire
from: Angleton, TX
Post #7820

Shame, better luck next time Ross.

Yaniel
from: Dunbar, WI
Post #6960

Unlucky mate, pick yourself up dust down and try again

Personally don't like the shove either, but J,10 always gets me in trouble.

Sure you will be on top of your game soon, having them all fear you.

Nathalia
from: Lagrange, OH
Post #9085

Look at this this way, you could be as bad as me..... And never get anywhere. Lol

Vanette
from: Twain, CA
Post #8060

Ross Boatman wrote: Hey Matt,you know what the the dirty rotter didn't show me his hand untill after I moved all in,if he had been a decent sort of chap and showed me first I would have been sure to lay down my J 10.
A great spot to go broke? I wasn't aware that there is one.

Ross is Taffer/TCCPS - confirmed

Kiana
from: Tupper Lake, NY
Post #8995

Ross is Taffer/TCCPS - confirmed

Cathie
from: Camino, CA
Post #9005

Hate to sit on the fence here but both Ross and Murph are correct IMO. A lot comes down to how you want to approach the later stages and how much of a gambling style you have. Shoving with the J-10 does give the deck a chance to hit you in the face and you need to be doing something at some stage with Ross's chip situation so why not now??

I dont think that there is a tremendous amount of fold equity either given the opponent and the pot odds they are getting but that doesnt make Ross's move wrong IMO. I think what we are looking at here is individual styles but its what makes the game so fascinating.

When moves like these come off, you end up getting called a luck box or lucky donk or whatever. But the flip side to that is that you are sitting with a WPT title to your name and all the potential financial spin offs that go with it.
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Kade
from: Algoma, WI
Post #6630

I dont think Ross was asking us to critique his play. lol

Until they invent a rule where you can win a tournament without winning all the chips then the 10J shove against a player with a massive range is always gonna be fine when you are short stacked and have just about fold equity. Whats the other option wait another 100 hands until you have a top 4% hand with 4 BBs.

I actually LOLd when the fact he had QQ came into the equation. Who cares? How many times is mr Loose Van Loosenstein gonna have QQ and not AK AQ A10, KQ,9 10, etc etc. This is the business end of a tournament. The key is to get your money in either as favourite or at least not too far behind. He was unlucky here but long term its a good play.
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Lyani
from: Oceanside, NY
Post #8946

Robbe
from: Big Rock, VA
Post #5892

Pwned LOL

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